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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:18:00 -
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The numbers vary between news sites. From the OP's link: "police say 70 people were wounded".
With my respect to the dead....
The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived?
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Posted - 2012.07.21 03:44:00 -
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Pulgy wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:
The .223 round really sucks that much? No wonder we are still stuck in the middle east. We are under-gunned. Any ex-military here could shed some light as per why so many survived?
really?
It seems most of the fatalities were from the .40 handgun and the shotgun. If that's the case, restrictions on assault rifles are meaningless and William Hughes had it all wrong.
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Posted - 2012.07.21 04:26:00 -
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*Applies for TSA Fondling Specialist position*
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Posted - 2012.07.21 10:22:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled
"justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is
almost none.
Working as intended. Deterrence is a good thing.
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Posted - 2012.07.21 10:23:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing.
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:42:00 -
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Medarr wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Whang'Lo wrote:
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home
invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon
you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
Probably because the home owner might have a gun? Again... working as intended. Deterrance is a good thing. Funny how the rest of the world doesnt need a gun to feel safe... chicken much?
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
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Posted - 2012.07.22 00:49:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:
...stuff...
It's easy to say others are paranoid when you haven't experienced crime first hand.
You live in Florida you say? Go rent an apartment in Pine Hills for a month and then we'll talk.
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Posted - 2012.07.22 20:54:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:(...)
The rest of the world? Let me see what I remember from my 33 years of living outside the US:
* Steel windows.
* Steel doors.
* 8 foot tall fence (including front patio) with barbed wire on top.
* Steel gates on all windows and doors.
* Steel cages for the air conditioner units.
* Reinforced concrete (no cinder blocks), even for the roof.
* Despite all defenses, still had the home invaded twice... with all the family inside.
* Cars robbed from inside the garage, 5 times.
* Home burglarized, 12 times.
* Robbed/Mugged while entering/exiting the neighborhood, over 20 times.
* Stabbed... once
* Shoot at... lost count
Hum... I think I'll rather stay in gun-lovin' Florida... with my glass windows, my dry-walls and mah guns.
Yes, life conditions kinda suck in Somalia...
You haven't been to Detroit haven't you?
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Posted - 2012.07.22 23:00:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Detroit? Didn't you said that you had lived outside of the US?
And your point is?
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:51:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Oh oh, someone somewhere who did something was into something that a lot of people here are into... Quick! To the PassMoreLawsMobile!!!1!!!!
I love these stories... it shows double standards to their highest degree. Had the guy been a football player he would be a "great athlete" and a "promising young man". But his hobby was games and now he is "addicted to games" and "out of touch with reality".
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Posted - 2012.07.23 03:55:00 -
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:not that serious to need assault rifles and such stuff in my house yet
The guy didn't had an Assault Rifle. He had a semi-automatic AR-15 rifle. Different things. Don't believe me, watch this nice policeman explain it: Linky.
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Posted - 2012.07.23 04:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
Define "military grade weaponry".
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Posted - 2012.07.23 05:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:baltec1 wrote:
I have no issue with you owning a gun for protection or hunting or sport. I simply dont get why you need military grade weaponry.
Define "military grade weaponry". Yes, surely my duck hunting napalm isn't military grade  Also, if you want to legally own a "military grade weapon" in the US... say an M16 or an AK with a selector lever. The end cost with the fees is going to be around $350,000
Well said Bunny... now forum trolls and wannabe weapon experts will go on google retreat trying to formulate a comeback. We'll know they have google'd when they start talking about "Mil Specs" & "Match Grade" components. It's gonna take them a while.
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Posted - 2012.07.23 05:29:00 -
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Oh please... silenced saigas?
I see your saigas and raise you a Russian
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Posted - 2012.07.23 05:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Makes you wonder why terrorists are still trying to get on planes and not raiding their local gun and beer store.
Because the people running the gun store have guns?
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Posted - 2012.07.23 06:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'm going to go see the new batman movie tomorrow, if the 3D is as great as they say I should see bullet holes! Im going tomorrow and I cant wait so no spoilers 
Ptsssss... everybody knows batman is gonna win. 
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Posted - 2012.07.23 06:54:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
My point? You characterised "the rest of the world" like this:
.....
As i happen to live in "the rest fo the wold" and what you say doesn't apllies to my neck of the woods, and also as my country is way safer than the USA, I am wondering where did you live and why do you pretend that your experience depicts the real world outside of the USA and not some godforgotten crime ridden country.
No no no... your point is that you trolled the USA and when I trolled you back you got butthurt.
The "rest of the world" is a pretty big place. Some locations are safer than USA and some are not. USA itself is rather big. Some parts are safe some aren't.
About your own "neck of the woods", I'm sure you have your share of crime.
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Posted - 2012.07.23 07:04:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
And you sitll hide from us the truth about your experiences outside of the US and why you pretend to characteise the world through them.
OMG the butthurt is strong with this one...
Dude... read the thread again. My point is that when you restrict civilian gun ownership, crime rises because criminals know you don't have guns. I've lived on places with many gun restrictions and this is usually the end result. If you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to list countries, along with their gun laws and their crime rates.
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Crime in the UK has fallen for the past 2 decades. So long as you dont live in the poor parts of london, Birmingham or Manchester you should be ok.
Oh and all of Glasgow, they beat up terrorists on fire with fire extingishers.
I googled and The Telegraph said:
"The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research."
Linky here for your review
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:20:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Stuff
About your Spain...
You talked about small arms. How about hunting rifles and shotguns? If you are not restricting ALL of them, the potential home-invader still have to think about "maybe they have a rifle" or "maybe they have a shotgun". So:
Are hunting rifles restricted?
Are shotguns restricted?
Do you need a license to buy ammunition?
Is there a yearly limit to ammunition per person?
And that's for the gun laws. About the crime:
- "Spain is the principal route of entry of drugs and narcotics into the European Union"
- " half of the ******* found by law enforcement agencies in Europe is found by Spanish police"
- "Spain has a high number of drug users, leading the table of ******* users in Europe"
- "70% of all crimes are committed by Spaniards and 30% by foreigners"
And don't even get me started on Franco and your history of freedom loving governments.
As for the rest of Europe, every time you guys have a big fight we have to pause our fridge-building apparatus and go sort things out... cuz we have the guns. :P
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:47:00 -
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Overseer Aliena wrote:
I also decided to do a random street view of Madrid for the hell of it and on my second hit it looks much like a building that you describe with high fences and bars on windows.
google map address reference: 11 Calle de la Macarena, Madrid
My first hit looked like a string of shops in a busy main road.
Yup, that looks like it. Let me verify:
- Fences in front patio --> Check
- Fences 8+ feet tall --> Check
- Barbed wire --> Check
- Steel gates --> Check
There's even an apartment with the windows covered by steel bars, and it's on the 2nd floor. That is exactly the kind of scenario I was talking about.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:02:00 -
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rodyas wrote:
I think you are getting americans mixed up with black people and other minorites....
Troll... stopped reading right there. This reminds me of a story:
My friend, policeman for 12 years, was patrolling this nice white neighborhood. Dispatch called him and ask him to investigate 1st street because residents called about a suspicious black man walking around. "I was just there" said the policeman, "there was nobody there". But he went and patrolled again. Dispatch called a 2nd time "we had more calls, suspicious black man walking around". My friend went there a 3rd time and patrolled. While he was walking in front of house #1, dispatch got another called and patched it through:
Police - Are you saying you are looking at the suspicious black guy right now?
Resident - Yes, I can look at him from my window he's right there, like talking on a cellphone or something.
Police - What's your street address?
Resident - I'm in 001 1st street.
Police - Really? Is the suspicious black guy jumping on one leg right now?
Resident - Yes, yes! you see him too?
Police - No sir, there's not suspicious black guy. It's just me, your friendly black policeman. :\
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:22:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On drugs traffic: learn some geography and don't mix it with crime rate, please. 
First you say that Spain is crimeless... now you say that drugs have nothing to do with crime. It keeps getting better with this one. Almost like the dreddits... the trollage just never ends. Maybe you are going to say that this week's Armed Robbery at the Madrid's Bank doesn't count as crime? Linky
Anyway, back to your original trollage of my description being one of "somalia"... looks like your cities have all the same carasteristics. The steel bars, the 8 foot fences, the barbed wire, everything. So be a good sport troll and admit you were trolling and got called out.
And while we are having this little and constructive cultural exchange. What's the deal with the Catalu+¦a Separatists? Is it like the Quebec issue? No trolling tho, every big nation has a few of those. Here in the US he have the Republic of Texas and the Banana Republic.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:41:00 -
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rodyas wrote:That is an unfair story though, black police officers, usually are freindly, a bit too trusting or easy going, but friendly. You should read my post though, I did have to read your driving miss daisy second post.
Fair enough. I read your whole post and I agree that in the states you never know who you gonna meet. I am very adverse to pointing fingers at any specific groups because in the end, the causes are usually economic in nature. And once the finger pointing starts of feeds the crime like a loop:
Crime Happens >> Blame XYZ Group >> XYZ is now jobless >> XYZ Commit crimes (because they are broke) >> Blame XYZ Group >> repeat
I spent most of my afternoon reading Spain newspapers because quite frankly, I freaking love Spain. From those news I get that the Muslims are the ones being blamed for everything up there. The comments left of news articles by the readers are specially harsh. One news page that stood out was about a group of Muslims that use to pray on a park every week. The mayor of that city is now telling them to go pray somewhere else.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 08:43:00 -
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rodyas wrote:baltec1 wrote:
I do like a good story.
You should like it. It was turned into a movie like in the 80s or sometime awhile ago. Actually a sequel. Where the black driver, becomes the body guard for her and is called. Protecting Miss Daisy.
I watched a similar film but the title was Mandingo.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:06:00 -
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rodyas wrote:...
See we don't need guns, just alot of tall walls, placed strategically.
And the funny thing is, that's exactly what you do when you can't defend yourself: You build walls, lots of them. Wanna go very extreme on making the patio a secure place? Build a house with the patio *inside*. Yup, you heard right. House walls extending all the way to the property line and a huge empty space in the middle. An inside-the-house patio that can't even be seen from the outside.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 10:52:00 -
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When random crime happens, people always say "this person was just crazy". Remember John Allen? The D.C. Area Sniper in 2002? He was killing random people of all ages/sex/races/etc. Looked like the work of a crazy person. But that was not the case. The guy wanted to kill his ex-wife to regain custody of his children. He knew that if he just killed the ex-wife, he will be the prime suspect. So he started killing random people in hopes than when he finally kill the ex-wife, authorities would blame the "crazy sniper" instead of him.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:54:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:...cultural lesson about walls...
A good old phrase comes to mind: "Todo es seg+¦n el color del cristal con que se mira" (It's all in the eye of the beholder). You say the fences is a cultural thing and I say fences are needed because people can't have guns. Like opinions, everybody has one.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:You described the average western family house all the way from the 800 BC to the 1500 AC... I think they didn't banned weapons back then.
Firearms did not exist back then, therefore you needed walls (people had swords you know ).
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:08:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:... you American ...
What's an American? Serious question.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:26:00 -
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Can we now talk about Vermont's open carry heaven?
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:40:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I think that you're missing the point here.
Why owe a gun?
Self defense. <----ASSUMPTION
Self defense from what threat?
Any. <----ASSUMPTION on the prior ASSUMPTION
But, what's the most common threat around?
People who owe firearms. <----ASSUMPTION on the prior ASSUMPTION of the prior ASSUMPTION
But, what people?
ANY people. Everyone can owe a firearm and you never know who you're gonna meet. <---- Assumption^4
...keeps on going till ASSUMPTION^(n+1)
You ASS-U-ME too much.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:50:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The one who claimed that few guns = high crime it's Shameless Avenger, not me. i am merely pointing him exaclty the same as you: no direct correlation between homicide and firearms.
Don't change your position now. You have stated multiple times that your opinion is "more guns = more crime". Like having less guns kept you from getting your own share of weirdos:
- Manuel Delgado Villegas, known as "The Arropiero".
- Jose Antonio Rodriguez Vega, "The Mataviejas"
- Alfredo Galan, popularly known as "The Murderer of the Deck"
- Francisco Garc+¡a , "The Beggar Murderer"
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Well well well Golden boy here was on a federal grantBecause I now have to worry about more gun laws because of this case, I want everybody on a grant or student loan to have their finances micromanaged because of this case. Never know what some of these miscreants might be buying.
So they paid his tuition *and* gave him 26k for whatevah? Man some people are lucky. The rest of us have to work part time selling cheap electronics and/or get student loans which we will be paying back until hell freezes over. Please tell me more... tell me he also had unemployment, welfare, food stamps... ugh... and don't forget student discounts. And I bet he's also gonna write a book from whiting the prison walls and make some more dough.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:58:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
...stuff...
You have a citation for this interesting bit of data? I would really like to see a poll or something on reasons for owning a gun. The whole point being that weapons for self defense trigger the need to defend from weapons just flew over your head, right?
Oh no, your point is clear... whats not clear is where are the references for the data you used to support your point.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 20:08:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
...Those are serial killers. And only Alfredo Galan used a gun...
And who cares if the attacker has a gun, a knife, a machete or a potato thrower? Somebody burst trough the door, you shoot, period. Take this story for example:
Woman shoots and Kill's Intruder protecting her son while on phone with 911 operator - Linky
"Sarah McKinley, a young Oklahoma mother, shot and killed an intruder in order to protect her 3-month-old baby. This occurred on New YearGÇÖs Eve, just a week after the childGÇÖs father was taken by cancer."
And please note, the weapon in this case might have been purchase for a different purpose. Maybe the late husband was a turkey hunter, who knows. Thing is, there was a weapon in the house and this lady defended herself and her 3 months old baby.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 23:53:00 -
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^ Could have used the costume money for a training session with Chris Costa... but this is America and looks are more important than results.
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:15:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
4 guys died saving their girlfriends, that's noble.
Please don't try to lump us all in with the stereotype... some of us are way better marksmen than that failure.... 4 guns and 12 dead in a crowded theater? Pathetic...
I am sure the AK versus AR debaters are going to be all over this for a while.
*Stealth trolling the ARs since page #3*
Shameless Avenger wrote:..."police say 70 people were wounded". The .223 round really sucks that much?
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:45:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
-----> arm themselves for self-defense <-----
This is the part where you keep failing. You keep assuming people armed themselves for self defense. That is *not* the primary reason. I'll give you some hints:
- The US has one of the best (if not *the best*) wildlife conservation programs.
- Wildlife conservation programs are funded by taxes from firearms and ammunition sales.
- The government doesn't directly control heard population levels, instead they set season and bag limits.
- Venison is good.
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:59:00 -
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Here's another tip as per why people arm themselves around these parts. Lets start with a little history:
"Pigs were first introduced in the 1500GÇÖs to what is now the southeastern U.S. by Spanish Explorer, Hernando DeSoto. In the centuries following European exploration and colonization of the eastern U.S., free-range livestock management practices and escapes from enclosures resulted in the establishment of wild pig populations and promoted their spread" ~ Linky
- There's no set hunting season on pigs in Florida. You can hunt them all year round.
- Pigs are an invasive species and we want to get rid of them.
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:03:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Why are you talking about hunting weapons now? Your point was that not being allowed to have weapons for self-defense is bad, and i've been talking against that since my first answer to you.
My point has always been that more weapons = less crime. That's my opinion and I'm not changing it. But you keep saying that Americans arm themselves to protect themselves from other armed Americans and that's not true. Most arm themselves for hunting or just for practice shooting sports.
Still, regardless of why people arm themselves, the end result is lots of people with guns. Which in my opinion, results in reduced crime as criminals think twice before messing around with those who have guns.
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:10:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Here's another tip as per why people arm themselves around these parts. Lets start with a little history: "Pigs were first introduced in the 1500GÇÖs to what is now the southeastern U.S. by Spanish Explorer, Hernando DeSoto. In the centuries following European exploration and colonization of the eastern U.S., free-range livestock management practices and escapes from enclosures resulted in the establishment of wild pig populations and promoted their spread" ~ Linky- There's no set hunting season on pigs in Florida. You can hunt them all year round. - Pigs are an invasive species and we want to get rid of them. We have to do the same thing with the coyotes up here. In small groups they aren't so bad, in larger numbers they start getting really confident.
The only hand-gun I own (I mostly have rifles) is a "Ruger LCP - Coyote Special". The story goes that Texas Gov. Rick Perry was peacefully walking on a trail with his son and the family dog when a coyote tried to gank them. The dog tried to defend the group but governor notice that the dog had no tank nor enough dps. So he added some DPS with his "Ruger LCP". Because it was the governor, it made the news, Ruger noticed and created the "Coyote Special Edition".
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Reduced crime? Except that your fellows got 7x more chances to be murdered than mine.
Actually, their chances to be shot dead are 4x our chances to be murdered at all...
Anyway, as i stated already, American people want it this way, so, who am I/are we to judge?
Give it some time. It was already stated that your country has a huge drug trafficking problem. And from your comments it seems you guys don't have a problem with it. Well, let me tell you what's gonna happen in the future if you don't fix that issue right now:
1) Traffickers will get greedy and start taking down other traffickers to get a bigger piece of the pie for themselves.
2) They soon realize that the trafficker with most guns usually wins.
3) They'll also realize that the same smuggling apparatus use to smuggle drugs, could very well be used to smuggle guns.
4) Those in the trafficker's payroll learn that guns are an excellent crime tool.
5) Ex traffickers looking for alternative methods of income, start using the guns to rob people.
6) Law abiding citizens who have no guns become prey.
If you don't believe it you can check the crime stats of every country that has a drug trafficking problem. Even the US some 50 years ago, was a lot more peaceful that it is now. Ask somebody from Colombia, or Mexico, or Puerto Rico... same story over and over again.
If you take guns away from law abiding citizens is the US, you gonna disarm the victims-to-be. You won't disarm the criminals. The only thing keeping criminals from busting trough these nice glass windows of mine is the possibility that I might be packing. It's called deterrence. And it works very well.
But I don't have to keep my examples to home-security. We could use something else like, border crossing between nations. Imagine you were forced to cross a border and you are given 2 choices. You could even cross from Mexico to US, or you could try crossing from Cuba to Guantanamo. Which one would you choose and why?
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
You also leave out that the most proficient traffickers are the governments that pretend to fight trafficking.
Oh heck yeah. There's a reason why traffickers keep working with only minor busts here and there. It's just like in-game Concord, you pay your wardec fee and authorities look the other way for a week.
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Posted - 2012.07.26 12:56:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I am sure the AK versus AR debaters are going to be all over this for a while.
***** please. It's all about the G36! :D
Ha ha ha... I forgot this is an International forum. Expect Belgium to show up soon voting for the P90.
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:17:00 -
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Oh oh... this issue just got escalated:
"belong in the hands of soldiers not in the hands of criminals"
 - oh no he didn't!
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:15:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
...If the victim is an armed criminal...
At this point you are just trolling trolling. If you were to say such a thing inside a female support group for sexual crime victims.... troll troll troll... I'm not gonna discuss anything else with you. You are just a troll.
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:22:00 -
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That kind of thing happens a lot. I count as much as 15 to 20 news clips a year, where a responsible gun owner stops a criminal. But those instances rarely made the national headlines. People don't pay attention to the good guys... they only pay attention to the occasional weirdo.
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big Bossu wrote:
I think this having a child is even more affordable!
It might be
Having children does cost an eye (no pun, seriously)
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:25:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
...If the victim is an armed criminal...
At this point you are just trolling trolling. If you were to say such a thing inside a female support group for sexual crime victims.... troll troll troll... I'm not gonna discuss anything else with you. You are just a troll. FACT: most (and it's a large most) firearm assaults are from criminals assaulting other criminals FACT: most (and it's a large most) armed assaults do not imply firearms, rather other kinds of weapons FACT: most firearm murders are criminals shooting other criminals FACT: most murders do not imply firearms Now ask yourself why in the USA it's exaclty the opposite.
Dude you have been downgraded from troll to shiptoaster. Sure, every grocery store that has ever been robbed is a criminal? Every citizen that has been car-jacked at gun point... a criminal? That's not even a bad troll... is just shiptoasting.
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Overseer Aliena wrote:I really like how this thread has nothing to do with the shooting in Aurora other than occasionally using a victim for one's propagandist needs. As usual you guys are stellar awesome. Go back to talking about being gangster and Spain or whatever it is you all are bitching about.
I wish there were more info on the Aurora incident. I would like some stats as per how many died from wounds from the shotgun, how many from the .40 and how many from the so called "assault weapon". But I doubt those numbers will ever show up.
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:46:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Car-jacked at gun point? In Spain? ROTFL!  This is not the USA, chaval. I've spent a lot of time and words trying to tell you how different laws and a different culture produce different crime and different criminals, and all I got from you is trolling...
Don't make a blank statement to provoke a reaction and then come back saying "oh I was talking about Spain only". Troll...
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Posted - 2012.07.27 21:27:00 -
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I looked around trying to find more info on the weapons used...
From this article we get that the gunman used the shotgun first, then switched to AR-15, which jammed, and then finished with a handgun.
Most of the media is focusing on the AR and the fact that the gunman was using a high capacity 100-rounds magazine. But nobody actually knows how many rounds were fired with the AR before it jammed. I might have been 2 or 3 rounds for all we know. ARs are known to jam a lot, specially when used with modified after market magazines (I've seen this happen at the range more than once).
The shotgun is another puzzle. Shotgun shells can have hundreds of small pellets (for birds) or one gigantic slug (for deer). Here again, he might have killed a few with it, or might have killed none.
The handgun was first reported to be a glock .40 but later it was corrected to be a Les Baer .45 pistol. If my info is correct (1911 fans correct me if I'm wrong), that holds 8 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber... 9 rounds total. The lethality of the of 45ACP cartridge afaik is about 90% for victims that had only one shot (again, correct me if I'm wrong). From that I honestly believe most of the fatalities were from the handgun.
It was also reported that the gunman was using a tactical vest. I have no doubt he had extra magazines for the 45 in it. I'm not sure if this gun is a "last-shot-hold-open" or not. If it is, it would be real easy and fast even for a novice to change magazines.
Personally, I'm not in favor of any gun-bans AT ALL. But if something is to get banned, lets at least ban the weapon that was most lethal, and not the one that "looked" lethal. Such measure would at least make *some* sense.
Several countries (Brazil for example) have gun laws that restrict civilians from using handgun calibers bigger than 380ACP. The idea is that you can defend yourself, but are less likely to kill. Anybody from Vera Cruz please correct me if I'm wrong.
If you go to Europe, several law enforcement agencies use the 380ACP as the standard issue round. (our Spain friend can comment on this).
Like I said, while I'm against any time of restrictions. Caliber restrictions on handguns do make more sense (1911 fans please don't hate me). And no, I'm not saying it just because I have an itty bitty tiny 380ACP pocket pistol myself. The 380ACP serves a purpose when carrying conceal in 100 degrees Floridian weather, wearing only a t-shirt and short pants.
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:42:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I've been talking about firearms and cirme in Spain since the first comment on homicide rate. I wonder what low reading comprehension it takes to not notice it for several days and messages... 
You were talking about "the rest of the world" and making assumptions left and right about why Americans do what they do, based on sources you failed to cite. I do appreciate your Spain specific input. I love to learn as much as possible about other countries, specially Spanish speaking countries.
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:43:00 -
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Dunan Sanis wrote:
Caliber has nothing to do with lethality.
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Finally the reaon the 380ACP can be considered low power is not because of the caliber of the bullet at all but the length of the cartridge.
Well, if we get really technical we'll get some people saying that 9mm and 380ACP is the same caliber with different cartridges. Which might possibly be true as bullets do look the same to me with the naked eye.
I'm not trying to say that the 380ACP is not lethal. It can surely kill. But there's a page (can't find the link right now) that has some stats as per the total number of people that had been hit with xyz caliber and how many of them died. That's where the theoretical "caliber/cartridge lethality" numbers come from.
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:54:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Dunan Sanis wrote:
Caliber has nothing to do with lethality.
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Finally the reaon the 380ACP can be considered low power is not because of the caliber of the bullet at all but the length of the cartridge.
Well, if we get really technical we'll get some people saying that 9mm and 380ACP is the same caliber with different cartridges. Which might possibly be true as bullets do look the same to me with the naked eye. I'm not trying to say that the 380ACP is not lethal. It can surely kill. But there's a page (can't find the link right now) that has some stats as per the total number of people that had been hit with xyz caliber and how many of them died. That's where the theoretical "caliber/cartridge lethality" numbers come from. More people have been killed by .22 LR rounds than any other caliber Knowledge is power! 
Yes, 22LR is cheap, therefore is it used the most, therefore it has the most deaths. Not uncommon to see people with 10k rounds of it in the garage, on a shelf.
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